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BYU player reportedly dismissed for having sex

Mar 2, 2011, 11:33 PM EST

Given the number of no-nos in BYU’s Honor Code, Brandon Davies’ dismissal could’ve been about pretty much anything.

Among the requirements: Students must live a chaste and virtuous life, be honest, abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee and substance abuse, and attend church regularly.

So maybe it shouldn’t come as a surprise that it was something many college students try: Sex.

According to a report in the Salt Lake Tribune, the 6-9 sophomore admitted he had sexual relations with his girlfriend, a violation of the rules. The school wouldn’t confirm the report, but did note that Davies was “extremely remorseful, heartbroken.”

BYU did say Davies wasn’t involved in a criminal act.

Davies, the team’s third-leading scorer and leading rebounder, won’t be back with the team, but a board is deciding if he’ll be allowed to stay in school.

UPDATE: After BYU’s 82-64 loss Wednesday to New Mexico, coach Dave Rose talked about Davies’ violation and his future.

“Everybody who comes to BYU, every student if they’re an athlete or not an athlete, they make a commitment when they come,” Rose said. “A lot of people try to judge if this is right or wrong, but it’s a commitment they make. It’s not about right or wrong. It’s about commitment.”

Rose also didn’t rule out the chance of Davies playing for BYU in the future.

“I think Brandon’s heart is in the right place, and I think that he wants to continue his education here at BYU, but there are a lot of things that are yet to be determined,” he said.

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  1. bobhamiltonchicago - Mar 3, 2011 at 12:20 AM

    At least he didn’t drink any tea or anything crazy like that.

  2. anythingbutyanks - Mar 3, 2011 at 12:27 AM

    I think the standards are ridiculous (more so the coffee and tea, of course), but he knew what he signed up for and obviously can’t be surprised that the rules were upheld when he broke them. Too bad one person got in the way of what could have been an amazing finish to a great season. RIP BYU.

  3. cowifornia - Mar 3, 2011 at 12:46 AM

    Third-leading scorer on the court, but he’s definitely leading the team in scoring off the court…

    • bc666 - Mar 3, 2011 at 2:08 AM

      That is one of the best comments on anything I’ve ever read…..CLASSIC!!!

  4. ronlent - Mar 3, 2011 at 12:55 AM

    It is God’s will that this happened. I think He is rooting for Notre Dame this year.

  5. bc666 - Mar 3, 2011 at 2:07 AM

    GASP!!!!!! College student having sex……oh the horror of it all. Their religion is by far the most insane.

    • bc666 - Mar 3, 2011 at 2:28 AM

      Oh no, I said a bad thing about religion……..religion is destroying this country. It’s based on nothing but fear and lies. Get lives people.

  6. dbeehner - Mar 3, 2011 at 2:12 AM

    Must not have been with a relative

    • bc666 - Mar 3, 2011 at 2:29 AM

      That’s West Virgina

  7. wardgame - Mar 3, 2011 at 7:58 AM

    And you don’t get any lower than dissin’ another guy’s standards. He took on a code of honor — something many don’t even know how to define these days. Deserves credit for trying. I respect the dude for standing for something he believed in.

  8. florida727 - Mar 3, 2011 at 8:09 AM

    “bc666″ (nice number BTW, sign of the devil). this story must have significant meaning to you. 10 comments so far and 40% of them are yours. if you think religion is “destroying this country”, you might want to check out countries that don’t have our religious beliefs at the core of their Constitutions, assuming they even have one. they won’t be hard to find. most of them can be found on the front page of any Internet site, usually accompanied with pictures of things burning.

    their religion isn’t “insane”, but it is a ‘cult’. I’m guessing you don’t know why it would be considered a cult, but I’ll leave it to you to look up the definition. I’ll give you a hint: eternal salvation is a faith-based gift from God, not a works-based way of “earning” eternal salvation. if you don’t believe in God, bc666, when you do die, make sure you dress for warm weather…

    • ivanhoseph77 - Mar 3, 2011 at 11:24 AM

      James2:20 -” But wilt thou know, O vain main, that faith without works is dead?”

      Hint: You just got PWNED by an agnostic atheist.

      Cheers :)

      • mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 6:57 PM

        by definition, an aethist is not agnostic. An aethist believes there is no God whereas an agnostic merely doesn’t know.

        Good comment anyway. +1

  9. sailorman3 - Mar 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    BYU is a privatly funded college, supported by the LDS church (Morman) of Salt Lake City, Utah. (there’s another morman charuch but digress) Brigam Young, who the college was named after, had a total of 27 wives – 19 living at one time.
    The Coffee Tea thing was so early settiers, would have no need to trade with outsiders, in 1847.
    Traditionaly, BYU has been THE college for morman girls to attend to find a morman mate..

    You attend their college based on their rules.

    Yes I was born in Salt Lake City. No I’m not a member.

  10. bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 10:39 AM

    I would like to respond to some of the comments that have been made regarding the BYU honor code and the standard of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    I am a Mormon, but I chose not to attend BYU. That decision had nothing to do with their honor code, but mostly for location; I live on the east coast of the United States, and BYU is in Provo, Utah.

    The “Coffee Tea thing” was not revealed in 1847, but on February 27, 1833 (See Doctrine and Covenants, Section 89, which is page 175). Anyone who would read the entire section for the Word of Wisdom would understand, whether they believed it or not, that its main purpose was not so that the Church’s early settlers would avoid trading with “outsiders”, else why would this still be in effect for the members of the LDS Church today?

    Also, I respect other peoples’ views. While I am a Mormon, I have members of my family who are devout members of another religion, and I respect that. Does BYU have an honor code that for some individuals outside of the LDS Church seems to be too strict? Yes. But let’s assume that this player was kicked off the team for having premarital sex. There are many individuals who believe that sex before marriage is wrong, no matter what religion they affiliate with. Why are people mocking a University that has a set of rules that complies with the standards of the LDS Church? Why can’t people just respect it? As has been stated, this player made a commitment when he came to that School, and he violated the commitment. And just like any other commitment, from any school, business, or else where, there are consequences to violating commitments. I do not know the entire honor code, and I have never been present when someone agrees to live it, but I imagine that when he agreed to live it he was made aware of the consequences of violating the honor code.

    I wish the best of luck to this player and hope for the best, but people should not point the blaming finger towards the school…the majority of their students have no problem living this honor code.

    • anythingbutyanks - Mar 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM

      You need a new definition of “mocking”.

      • bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM

        Actually, there are several comments that were made about the above article that were definitely mocking BYU and it’s honor code. For example, the one that says, “At least he didn’t drink any tea or anything crazy like that,” or the one that says, “GASP!!!!!! College student having sex……oh the horror of it all. Their religion is by far the most insane.”

        Those comments are definitely fall under the mocking category.

        Also, I think that your attitude is uncalled for. I have a right to post a comment just as much as anyone else does, and I have a right to my views. The response of “You need a new definition of ‘mocking’”, makes you sound like a 11 year old that can’t handle a comment that you do not agree with.

    • mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 3:44 PM

      Let’s face it, an honor code that prohibits the drinking of tea and coffee is fair game for “mocking”. I respect Mormon’s rights to have whatever honor code they wish, but frankly, it’s silly and stupid. Even more stupid is your desire to defend it by citing D&C page numbers, dates, etc. Do you think anyone cares that it was 1847 rather than 1833? Also, the WoW says NOTHING about tea and coffee. And you know that.

      So let’s take this and run… He could down five Red Bulls and still comply with the honor code, but breaks the code if he has a cup of peppermint tea? Frankly, that’s stupid and deserves the mockery it gets.

      If the player agreed to the Honor Code and broke it, then he deserves what he gets. And kudos to BYU for enforcing it’s rules. More Div 1 schools should do that. But, the BYU Honor Code is absurd and worth of any mockery it gets. Peoples’ sex lives should remain private. A student who feels compelled to tell his University about his private and personal sex life is worthy of mockery too.

      • bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 4:22 PM

        Well, I respect your opinion, but let me just share some thoughts with you:

        I am not Catholic, Jewish, or Protestant and I have not studied those religions in detail. And since I have not done so, I do not claim to know much about their teachings. I am a Mormon. I have spent a great deal of my time studying what we believe and why. I served a 2 year mission in Honduras telling people what we believe and why. Because I chose to join this religion, I have studied the policies and procedures. What I am trying to say is, if someone does not study in detail the real beliefs and culture of a group, then a negative, rude, comment that such a person makes is unfounded and inaccurate. But since I am a member of the LDS Church, I study our views, beliefs, policies, etc. You claim to tell me that the Word of Wisdom has nothing to do with tea or coffee, and that “I know that”.

        Based on the level of maturity that you demonstrated in your last comment, I don’t imagine that you will care much about this or understand it, but please try. We believe in modern revelation. We believe that there are prophets today, even as there were in past times. The leaders of the LDS Church have instructed that the Word of Wisdom does indeed include tea and coffee, though herbal tea is acceptable. Now, as a member of the LDS Church, and with my right to believe what I wish, I have accepted that teaching as my personal view. As I said, you most likely will not agree with that, but I am telling you as a member of the LDS Church and as one who taught the Church’s doctrine for 2 years, the Word of Wisdom does indeed include tea and coffee.

        Also, you claim that my desire to ensure that historical facts are accurate is stupid. Why would you say that? Boy, maybe middle school students should use that one on their next history test. “What does it matter if I wrote the wrong year? Its almost the same as the correct answer, isn’t it?”

        Finally, you say that you respect Mormons’ rights to have whatever honor code we wish. Do you really? Because where I came from, respecting something means that in the next sentence you don’t write “silly” and “stupid”. A few years back, I found out that a friend of mine was told by her religious leaders not to view a Harry Potter movie. While I am not of the same religion, I respected her decision and I didn’t mock or tease her. I have seen the Harry Potter movies and enjoy them, but that does not give me the right to bash someone else’s beliefs.

        There are many people who enjoy both tea and coffee. I know people who understand our standards and do not mock me for them. What makes you feel better than other people to call my standards, or anyone else’s standards for that matter, stupid and silly?

    • mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM

      bobbynacho,

      You wrote, “While I am a Mormon, I have members of my family who are devout members of another religion, and I respect that.” Perhaps you respect their right to choose their religion, but Mormon’s don’t a history of respecting others’ religions.

      Mormon’s evoked the ire of Jews by baptizing concentration camp victims posthumously to the Mormon religion. Tell me, how is that respectful of another person’s religion, in this case the Jews?

      Mormon’s use the word “respect”, but work hard behind the scenes to coerce others to their views. Prop 8 is just another example.

      • bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 4:41 PM

        First of all, are you telling me that you think exercising the right to participate in a community issue, such as supporting or opposing a proposition is “coercing” others to our views? Tell me, was the other side of that political issue also “coercing” other to their views, as well? Or just the Mormons?

        I do not know all of the facts or circumstances behind the posthumous baptisms of concentration camp victims, but I did hear about it. I also know that a high official of the Church was tasked to work with the Jewish community to resolve the matter.

        I am also trying to figure out what you mean by one of your comments. You quote me as saying that I have devout members of my family who belong to another religion and that I respect that, which is all true. But then you write, “but Mormons don’t [have] a history of respecting others’ religions.” Didn’t I just say that I respect other people’s religions?

        Also, since it was brought up and I figure that you are referring to the baptisms that are performed for deceased individuals in temples: it is the policy of the Church that if a deceased individual for whom you wish to perform the temple work is not a relative, you must get permission from that individual’s family. While there have been some instances where members have performed that work for individuals without consulting the families, that seldom occurs.

        The LDS Church leaders meet quite often with leaders of other faiths, presidents of other countries (including President Obama), Queens, Kings, and other prominent individuals. While recognizing that individuals of all back rounds and affiliations are not perfect, I am sure that any of those individuals can tell you that the LDS Church, in general, has respect for other peoples’ religions.

        The LDS Church also donates extensively to assist in the clean up and reconstruction of natural disasters the world over. Do we take back any of that help or refuse anyone based on religious affiliation? No.

        I think that you need to study up on some things before you comment again. I will be here waiting.

  11. mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM

    bobby,
    I doubt you respect my opinion. You likely respect my right to express my opinion. I respect your right to hold silly and stupid beliefs. But that’s different from saying I respect silly and stupid beliefs. I respect BYUs right to craft and enforce their Honor Code as they wish, but I don’t respect an Honor Code that permits overdosing on Red Bull, but prohibits tea. That’s stupid and am astonished you wouldn’t think so too. The BYU Honor Code is published on their web site. google it.

    You have confused the Word of Wisdom with the Honor Code. They are two different things. Non-Mormons, who don’t believe in the WoW can go to BYU, and they must abide by the Honor Code. The “prophet” does not speak to or for them and his interpretation of the WoW does not apply to them.

    Not sure why you think I haven’t studied in detail the Mormon religion. In fact, the word of wisdom bans “hot drinks”, not specifically tea and coffee. The prophet, via “revelation from God”, still left it vague. Show me where it says caffeine, is prohibited. Show me where it says cocoa (a hot drink containing caffeine) found on the BYU campus is prohibited or accepted. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist in the WoW or anywhere else. The prophet did not get into detail about it, and if you don’t know this, you should.

    …another Mormon lemming.

    • mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 6:32 PM

      I miswrote: The ORIGINAL word of wisdom banned “hot drinks”. The mormon prophet, through revelation from God, further refined that to mean “coffee and tea”. That’s it. No further elaboration. No exception for herbal teas from ‘the prophet’ as Bobbynacho claims. It’s intentionally vague. It’s on the LDS web site if bobby wants to brush up on his mormon beliefs.

  12. mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM

    Why is it that Mormons (and other religions too) always bring up their good works to justify aberrant beliefs? Nobody cares if your prophet meets with kings, queens, obama or anyone else. The Mormon disaster relief and welfare system may be the best in the world. I have unequivocal respect for the Mormon welfare system. But that doesn’t make the Mormon religion is “the true gospel of Jesus Christ”. Good works in one area, does not mean that Mormons (or any other religion) have a lock on God’s Word. Again, you confuse separate issues.

    If you respected someone else’s religious view, you wouldn’t try to change their view to yours. You likely respect their right to hold their view, but not the view itself. There’s a difference.

    For generations, Mormon’s wouldn’t allow black men to hold their priesthood because their black skin was believed to be the Mark of Cain. Suddenly, in the midst of the 1970s race riots, the prophet received a “revelation from God” that this practice should change. Mormon’s still believe that God suddenly decided it was time to end the curse. I respect your right to hold this belief, but it’s a stupid belief and I can’t respect the belief itself. I don’t care how many kings, queens and presidents your prophet meets, it’s still a stupid belief, unworthy of respect. The fact that this belief came from modern day prophets “speaking for God” makes it more abhorrent.

  13. bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM

    It’s pretty apparent that you have some bitter hatred towards the Mormon faith. I feel sorry for you.

    I could sit here all night and answer your questions, but you wouldn’t care about the answers. You would just find something else to throw back at me.

    It actually is apparent that you have not studied the Mormon beliefs in detail. If you had, you would have known that the Church’s belief is that coffee and tea is indeed in the Word of Wisdom. Please see: http://lds.org/study/topics/word-of-wisdom?lang=eng

    I am ending this conversation on my side, and I will no longer comment on this, but I have to admit that I am disappointed at the lack of maturity that you have demonstrated in your comments.

    Best of luck to you and I sincerely hope for the best.

    • mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM

      Yes, I know the WoW and already clarified my earlier unclear statement. Please don’t elevate yourself in this by saying that you “feel sorry for me”. I neither asked for, nor do I want your sorrow or pity. I have no hatred for the mormon church and already acknowledged that the welfare system may be the best in world. I respect mormon individuals I know. I respect mormon’s rights to define their rules. And as I stated earlier, I respect mormon’s adherence to their rules. However, I won’t respect a belief system that says that in modern days, God discriminates against blacks because of their dark skin. Or that says that prayer and fasting can cure homosexuality. Or defines “respect for other religions” as an invitation to change others’ religious views. Or that thinks that the highest level of heaven exclusively belongs to their members. Or thinks that they exclusively own God’s Truths. These are all mormon beliefs. How do I know?

      Like you, I have been baptised mormon. Like you, I have been ordained to the mormon priesthood. I also graduated from the 4yr mormon seminary program. I was married to a mormon. My family is mormon. I can still recite the 13 Articles of Faith by memory. But you say, it’s “apparent that I have not studied the mormon beliefs in detail.” I guess this is another truth you are unable or unwilling to see. In typical mormon fashion, you leap to judgement of others, and have formed a convenient, but false truth of your own.

      After fasting, prayer and more, I listened to the “Holy Ghost” (the mormon word for conscience) who told me that this was a religion of deception, intolerance and, unlike something of God, was imperfect. It took courage and conviction to leave the religion of my family and friends. Still today after 20yrs, they too say they are “sorry for me”. What they can’t grasp is that I have become far closer to God once I left the mormon church.

      Perhaps before you judge other things incorrectly, you should listen, study and explore. You’ve already misjudged me. Religious faith is a journey. Mormons think they have arrived at The Truth. Mormons believe that their religion is the “one true gospel of Jesus Christ”, “God’s true church.” I heard it ad nauseum every Fast Sunday. You seem to believe it too. You’ve admitted you’ve never devoted study to other religions you’ve mentioned. How can clain that your religion wholly true and the “one true church of Jesus Christ” while dismissing these other religions as imperfect and full of falsehoods? On top of this, you say you ‘respect’ them. I propose that together, you and I respect others’ rights to their beliefs. But you, unlike me, say that you respect something you believe to be false.

      Signed, the immature one
      (who stands by his comment that an honor code that expels a student for drinking tea, but allows him to drink five Red Bulls, is stupid.).

      PS. I apologize to the others for hijacking this thread. There were some really funny and good comments. Sorry for the derail. I’m done. Please return to regular programming.

  14. bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 7:02 PM

    I hadn’t seen one of your comments.

    I am convinced of what I know, and if I know in my heart what is true, an individual full of bitterness and contention, such as yourself, can say what you wish and mock standards all day if you’d like. Your negative comments, and anyone else’s negative comments, will not hinder the truth.

    One day all of us will have to answer to a much greater Being. At that time we will find out whether I am right or you are right. If I am wrong, then I will have lived an error my whole life. But If it turns out that I am right, you can tell God how “stupid” and “silly” His standards are.

    • mrmo3063 - Mar 3, 2011 at 8:30 PM

      I thought you said you were done?

  15. bobbynacho09 - Mar 3, 2011 at 8:58 PM

    Good luck on your journey!

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