Skip to content

There’s no perfect bracket, but it’s not for lack of effort on NCAA tournament selection committee’s part

Feb 17, 2012, 10:12 PM EDT

spt-120215-mock

Those of us fortunate enough to have participated in the NCAA Mock Selection process learned firsthand that there’s no such thing as a perfect bracket.  Even with 37 at-large bids available, there’s always team No. 38.  You can’t escape tough decisions.

Committee Chair Jeff Hathaway said he and his fellow Selection Committee members realize the scrutiny involved with putting together what we know as March Madness.  It’s one reason why the NCAA has made the process more transparent in recent years.  The Mock Selection exercise is just one example.  This year, the NCAA’s official RPI, Team Sheets, and Nitty Gritty reports are available online at www.ncaa.org.  Anyone with a computer and an internet connection can view the same reports and data used by committee members.  You can even find the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the bracket at the NCAA site.

Here are few quick notes from Friday (click here for Thursday’s notes):

Seeding the Field of 68 isn’t completed until all 68 teams are selected.  Team A doesn’t have be placed as an 11 or 12 seed just because it was one of the final at-large teams selected.  As “scrubbing” of teams is completed, the s-curve changes.  During our mock exercise, we ultimately moved a few teams around on the s-curve before we began placing them into the bracket.  NCAA team members said this is a common occurrence.  Teams move up or down during the final rankings, and sometimes those teams are moved a seed line to accommodate the bracketing process.

Greg Shaheen of the NCAA said the Selection Committee often spends up to 40 hours “scrubbing” teams during the seeding process.  You may disagree with where a team ends up, but it’s not because every team wasn’t thoroughly evaluated.  As a reference, we spent about an hour and a half “scrubbing” through the seed lines.

A group of committee members is assigned specifically to the bottom quadrant (Seeds 13-16).  Although 13-16 seeds are often automatic qualifiers, Hathaway stressed that it’s important for every team to be evaluated and seeded correctly.

Finalizing the Mock Bracket …

We opened the day by selecting (by vote) the final at-large teams.  Due to lengthy discussions, this process took almost an hour.  Ultimately, our last four at-large teams were: Alabama, Illinois, Seton Hall, and Arizona.  Xavier would have been the first team out had the Musketeers not won the Atlantic 10 mock tournament.  Cincinnati, Middle Tennessee St, and NC State ended up as teams that just missed.  The Bearcats’ No. 330-ranked non-conference schedule was discussed at length, and the voting process eliminated them.

In our bracket, the First Four games at Dayton were: Alabama vs. Illinois, Seton Hall vs. Arizona, Mississippi Valley State vs. Stony Brook, SE Missouri State vs. UT-San Antonio.  The Alabama-Illinois winner was slotted into the 10-seed line in the West Region.  The Arizona-Seton Hall winner was slotted in as the 12-seed in the Midwest.  Bracketing conflicts caused both to move one seed line in each direction (both were set as true 11 seeds).   As a side note, had Dayton been among the First Four teams, the Flyers would have played on their home floor.

Our final bracket2012 Media Mock 2.17.2012

Our s-curve rankings2012 Media Mock Seed List 2.17.2012

Keep in mind, we selected and seeded teams based on results through Wednesday (Feb. 15).  We then made adjustments based on mock tournament results.  For example, Mississippi State won the SEC Tournament, North Carolina won the ACC, BYU won the West Coast, and San Diego State won the Mountain West.  We tried to reflect these outcomes into our decisions.  With time constraints, however, we had to move quickly, so we didn’t have the same time as actual committee members.

Kentucky, Syracuse, and Missouri were clear No. 1 seeds and were easily placed in spots one to three on the s-curve.  Then it got tricky.  Ultimately, we voted Ohio State into the four spot, moving them into the final No. 1 seed position.  During bracketing, we slotted Kentucky to the South Region because the mileage between difference between Lexington and St. Louis was minimal (STL was a little closer), and Atlanta is a natural region for UK.  Those things are all taken into account.  Syracuse was next, and obviously went East.  Missouri to St. Louis was a no-brainer.  As an interesting sidebar, it was noted that had Duke been slotted South, it could have set up a possible rematch with Kentucky in a Regional Final exactly 20 years after the legendary game in New Jersey.  Had it happened, it would have been a product of the process, not something that was planned.  We placed North Carolina there because UNC had first choice on the s-curve and we chose geographic location (Atlanta) over the true s-curve (East).  Hathaway said that would have generated a lengthy discussion during the actual process.  We simply didn’t have the time.

That same process continued as we filled out the bracket.  Surprisingly, it went smoothly despite the need to move a few teams one line to meet requirements.

Whether you agree with our results isn’t important.  The goal was to demonstrate how the process works, without prejudice or pretense.  We were afforded the same tools and techniques.  Everyone left with a new appreciation for what transpires in Indianapolis each March.

If nothing else, remember this: the men and women charged with selecting, seeding, and bracketing the NCAA tournament take their job seriously.  They live and breathe basketball from November through March (actually much longer).  They watch hundreds of games.  They toggle through data for hours on end.  You may or may not agree with every decision.  Then again, there’s no such thing as a perfect bracket.

Follow Dave on Twitter @BracketguyDave.

Latest Posts
  1. Leonard Washington’s second chance over at Wyoming?

    May 16, 2012, 6:20 PM EDT

    Leonard Washington

    If I were to say the name Leonard Washington to you, one of two things would probably pop into your head: You’d either a) recall one of the many iconic characters from Chapelle’s Show, or b) the kid from USC that gave Blake Griffin a shot to the jujubees. You might be surprised to find…

  2. The MVC blew a chance for their top team

    May 16, 2012, 5:19 PM EDT

    Doug McDermott, Alec Williams

    I don’t think you’ll find much of an argument from anyone that Creighton is the best mid-major program in the country this season. They spent much of last year ranked, finishing second in a strong Missouri Valley Conference before winning the MVC tournament, advancing to the Round of 32 in the NCAA tournament and finishing…

  3. Recruiting rundown: Talent pool thins as signing period closes

    May 16, 2012, 4:48 PM EDT

    savon-goodman AP

    The college basketball regular signing period for the 2012 class officially ends today, and most signings are typically over as the National Letter of Intent signing dates conclude. Still, many athletes elect to sign financial aid documents that become the equivalent in tuition-free attendance, without binding players to schools. Only a handful of presumed meaningful…

  4. Ex-Ohio State forward J.D. Weatherspoon transfers to Toledo

    May 16, 2012, 4:15 PM EDT

    JDWeatherspoon

    Former Ohio State forward J.D. Weatherspoon is transferring to Toledo, the Associated Press is reporting. The former Top 150 recruit played in 26 games this past season, but saw limited minutes in his two seasons in Columbus, averaging 2.9 points and 1.1 rebounds for the Buckeyes in 2011-12. Weatherspoon was a high school teammate of…

  5. Seton Hall reportedly adds Iona transfer Kyle Smyth

    May 16, 2012, 3:43 PM EDT

    KyleSmyth

    Kyle Smyth, a 6-4 guard who last month announced his intent to transfer from Iona, has committed to Seton Hall, according to J.P. Pelzman of The Record. Smyth averaged 5.7 points and two rebounds per game last year for an Iona team that finished 25-8 and lost in the NCAA tournament to BYU. The New…

  6. All 14 teams to play in revamped ACC conference tournament

    May 16, 2012, 2:32 PM EDT

    Screen Shot 2012-05-16 at 2.30.13 PM

    The ACC is now following in the footsteps of the Big East, expanding its conference tournament to include all 14 teams and run from Wednesday through Sunday during Championship Week, the league announced Wednesday afternoon. The conference will include 14 teams once Pittsburgh and Syracuse leave the Big East and join the ACC. The idea…

  7. Appears Duke compensates Coach K well in salary, benefits

    May 16, 2012, 1:22 PM EDT

    110311_krzyzewski_number_1.standard

    A day after Duke landed Top 30 recruit Amile Jefferson of Friend’s Cental (Pa.), a tax return obtained by USA Today shows that Blue Devil head coach Mike Krzyzewski is doing pretty well for himself. The report shows that Coach K brought in more than $7.2 million in compensation during the 2010 calendar year, second…

  8. Recruiting rundown: Under-the-radar late commitments

    May 16, 2012, 12:27 PM EDT

    scott-drew AP

    The attention remains on the so-called national elite prospects, but many programs continue to add role players, or prospects with potential that could impact next year’s college basketball rosters. Some signings or commitments of note that have dropped over the last few days include: Baylor made a late move on forward Taurean Waller-Prince, an in-state…

  9. 2013 NCAA tournament East Regional to be held in Washington D.C.

    May 16, 2012, 11:24 AM EDT

    WashingtonDC Getty Images

    The Verizon Center in Washington D.C. will be the site of the 2013 NCAA tournament East Regional on March 28 and 30, the NCAA announced in a statement Wednesday morning. “The decision to delay the announcement of the East Regional site was made because the committee wanted to explore several options,” Mark Lewis, the NCAA’s…

  10. How do Butler, VCU stack up against rest of A-10?

    May 16, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

    spt-120515-stevens-net AP

    Gotta hand it to the Atlantic 10. The hoops-centric league will lose Temple to the Big East and Charlotte to C-USA, but will replace them with Butler and now VCU. Yes, George Mason elected to stay in the CAA. Tough break. The league’s still going to be better than ever. The A-10 usually ranks as…

  11. Laurie Fine to sue ESPN, accuses network of libel

    May 16, 2012, 9:18 AM EDT

    laurieFine AP

    Laurie Fine, the wife of former Syracuse assistant coach Bernie Fine, will sue ESPN for libel in response to the network’s reporting of her involvement in the alleged incidents that led to child molestation accusations being levied against her husband, the Post-Standard is reporting. In a 44-page document provided to the Post-Standard, the lawsuit accuses…

  12. Recruiting rundown: ‘Bama lands in-state center Jimmie Taylor ’13

    May 16, 2012, 8:45 AM EDT

    anthony-grant Getty Images

    Curiously, Alabama is one of only a few known D-1 college basketball programs that has yet to sign a player as an incoming recruit for next year. While they have a great chance at landing top-25 prospect Devonta Pollard, they have been shut out on other prospects they pursued. With that said, the Crimson Tide…

  13. The Morning Mix

    May 16, 2012, 8:00 AM EDT

    - Virginia Commonwealth had a million reasons to stay in the CAA. But they decided to bolt for the Atlantic-10, a move that will take place immediately. As Jeff Eisenberg points out, this was a risk that VCU had to take. With the immediate addition of VCU, what will the A-10 look like in 2012-2013?…

  14. Jeff Hathaway is the new Athletic Director at Hofstra

    May 15, 2012, 11:17 PM EDT

    athdir55_lg

    Jeff Hathaway has landed on his feet. After getting forced out as the athletic director at UConn prior to the 2011-2012 academic year, Hathaway has found a way to revive his career, taking over the same position at Hofstra. “In collegiate athletics, the name Jeff Hathaway means success on any number of levels: in the…

  15. Grad transfer rule has to remain as long as we have “student”-athletes

    May 15, 2012, 10:58 PM EDT

    NCAA Basketball Tournament - Xavier v Baylor Getty Images

    I can honestly say that I can go either way when it comes to the graduate transfer exemption. For those that are unaware, the rule is simple: if an athlete completes their undergraduate degree with eligibility remaining, they can transfer to another school without being forced to sit out for a year so long as…

  16. NC State has added LSU transfer Ralston Turner

    May 15, 2012, 9:50 PM EDT

    x610-15

    Mark Gottfried as added yet another talented piece to the mix at NC State, as former LSU guard Ralston Turner officially decided to transfer into the Wolfpack program. Turner started 59 games in two years with LSU, averaging 12.3 points as a freshman and 9.1 points as a sophomore. “I felt like I knew coach…

  17. Is Jabari Parker ready for pressure that comes with SI cover?

    May 15, 2012, 8:50 PM EDT

    si-small

    Jabari Parker’s already been tagged as the “next big thing” for some time now. The Chicago product and top recruit in the class of 2013 was the 2012 Gatorade national player of the year – as a junior – thanks to his impressive mix of size, skill and savvy. Even better? By all accounts, he’s…

  18. Boise State, San Diego State and some Big West drama

    May 15, 2012, 7:20 PM EDT

    Mountain West Basketball Tournament - Boise State v San Diego State Getty Images

    Believe me when I tell you that I probably hate talking about realignment more than any of you, and if I had any say in the matter, the structure of college sports would a) not completely change by the year 2015 and b) would prioritize college hoops over the money generated by college football. But…

  19. Brett Favre is texting Donnie Tyndall?

    May 15, 2012, 6:11 PM EDT

    Murray St Morehead St Basketball

    Donnie Tyndall had an impressive run in his time as the head coach at Morehead State. After going 12-18 over all and 8-12 in the Ohio Valley Conference in his first season with the Eagles, Tyndall never again finished below .500 for the season — a fairly impressive feat for a team that makes up…

  20. Top 25 recruit Amile Jefferson is headed to Duke

    May 15, 2012, 4:57 PM EDT

    533-1lOhBD.Em

    The wait for Amile Jefferson is finally over. The nation’s No. 24 recruit according to our Consensus Recruiting Rankings committed to Duke on Tuesday afternoon, picking the Blue Devils over NC State, Kentucky, Villanova and Ohio State. Jefferson joins Rasheen Sulaimon as the only two members of Duke’s 2012 recruiting class. “In the end, I…