Skip to content

College Basketball Talk staff reactions to Jack Taylor’s 138-point night

Nov 21, 2012, 4:33 PM EDT

jack taylor

In the day after Grinnell College’s Jack Taylor set the record for most points in a college game with 138 there have been no shortage of opinions on the matter. Some were appalled while others don’t see the need for folks to be so upset. So how did the College Basketball Talk crew see Taylor’s night? Those responses are below.

Rob Dauster
It’s a D3 game against a crap team. They wanted to see how many points that could get one kid to score. Anyone that takes this nore seriously than that needs to go home, drink a beer, take a shot, and realize that life ain’t that serious.

David Harten
I’m one of those people that sees it two ways.

1.) What Grinnell plays in general is not “basketball” to me, they simply “score points”. When you do what they do, stuff like this happens. So I view Taylor’s accomplishment as more of a gimmick than a feat.

2.) It’s Division III basketball. These kids play simply because they love it and get no financial assistance based on their athletic talents. Teams like Grinnell play like this to get publicity and because it’s fun. And when you have the athletic budgets the size of some large high schools in Texas, you do what you can to get noticed.

So while I don’t see it as an overly-impressive achievement, I do see it as an accomplishment worth noticing.

Troy Machir
I’m from the  Herm Edwards school of thought: “HELLO. You play to win the game.”

During a 2007 Mid-Atlantic Conference playoff lacrosse game against top-seeded Widener College, my Elizabethtown Blue Jays took a surprising one-goal lead early in the first quarter, and decided to kill as much time off the clock as humanly possible. Widener played a packed-in zone with no pressure on the ball-handler, which allowed up to kill as much time off the clock as we wanted when we got the ball into the offensive half of the field. It took Widener 3 quarters to figure out how to force us to move the ball.  Widener came in to the game averaging roughly 14gpg. They beat us in OT 3-2.

Should we show Jack Taylor’s game footage to youth basketball coaches around the country? Of course not. But to laud this as “selfish” and “bad for basketball” is just foolish. You play to win the game. If the kid can shoot, get him the ball. If the other team can’t stop him, keep shooting.

This is D-III sports. Sure, there was probably a bit of frustration from some of the players who may have had some open look. But if you’re on a team with a dude who is approaching triple-digits, you enjoy the ride.

It’s certainly not the most ideal, foolproof formula for success, but hey, On Tuesday November 21st, it worked.

Terrence Payne
Of course this is an incredible and ridiculous number to put up in a game. At the same there are going to be purists that hate this, but can you imagine being a student at small Grinnell College watching this happen? It must have been nuts for the 36 minutes he was out there.

Fact of the matter is this is D3 ball. The Faith Baptist Bible college coach already came out and said he is not offended. Jack Taylor put up a remarkable, potentially unbeatable number. It’s a fun story for basketball that doesn’t really matter to anyone but those who play in it. Give him his 15 minutes and wake me up when Grinnell is in the D3 title game.

Raphielle Johnson
Personally I have no problem with Jack Taylor’s 138 points last night. If the announcer’s comments at the start of the webcast weren’t enough for people to realize what was going on, watching the same guy shoot over and over should have made it clear the pursuit of a record was the goal of the contest. They didn’t tell Faith Baptist to not double- or triple-team (they did this at times, but clearly not enough) Taylor; their defensive issues aren’t the fault of either Taylor or Grinnell. Frankly we watch examples of “bad” basketball every day, but which would you rather watch: a guy scoring 138 points or a display like last week’s Fresno State/UC Riverside game (halftime score: 13-11)? And personally I don’t see the harm in Taylor’s performance, especially if his teammates went along with it.

Grinnell, using the style of play they’ve played for years, decided to have a player make a run at Bevo Francis’ record and got it. The head coach at Faith Baptist didn’t sound offended, and if he was something “more” probably would have been done during the game to prevent Taylor from going off. Jack Taylor had a great night and I salute him for it.

Daniel Martin

Part of the beauty of college basketball is the fact that there are so many different schools of thought and styles of play.

Just because Grinnell plays such a radically different system, it sets off a wave of outrage? This is the way the school traditionally plays. It’s a Division III basketball team playing with non-scholarship players who are having fun.

They’re an anomaly. If you were a Division III caliber player, why wouldn’t you go play for a program that gives you the opportunity to try something so drastically different?

I understand the contrarians. There are so many similar stories praising Mr. Taylor’s achievement that there is a market for tearing it down.

But why this over-the-top negative reaction? Do we have a legitimate fear that Tom Izzo and Roy Williams are finding a way to implement this system in Division I? C’mon.

Let Mr. Taylor enjoy his 15 minutes.

Eric Angevine

Essentially, in athletics, people do what they can do, and it’s up to the opponent to stop them. Sportsmanship is a nice concept, but so is playing your best and not holding back. As Daniel pointed out, people whined about dunking (including my favorite coach of all time John Wooden), but once that genie was out of the bottle, it wasn’t going back in. Guys can dunk, now someone has to figure out how to stop them.

In college football, teams that run up the score are LOVED. And let’s all act like we would have paid one iota of attention to some news out of Grinnell if it were about how many Rhodes Scholars they cranked out or that they played a game where somebody scored one point below the previous record.

So there are the thoughts of the CBT staff on Jack Taylor’s night. We’ll leave you with a very good point that Eric made on all of this:

We’ve heard in the past week that our conferences are going to be broken up even further, the NCAA is strong-arming former college kids in Miami, and we’re more upset about a kid essentially doing what basketball players are trained to do – score.

Latest Posts
  1. Summer highlights for five-star center Stephen Zimmerman (VIDEO)

    Sep 19, 2014, 11:50 PM EDT

    Nike EYBL Nike EYBL

    Stephen Zimmerman is ranked the No. 10 overall recruit by Rivals.

  2. Record number of tents camped out for Kentucky’s Big Blue Madness (VIDEO)

    Sep 19, 2014, 11:00 PM EDT

    Via @_Shanabon Via @_Shanabon

    Kentucky fans camped out on Monday in order to officially camp out for tickets on Wednesday morning.

  3. Rhode Island big man returns to the floor for 2014-2015 season

    Sep 19, 2014, 9:45 PM EDT

    Rhode Island v Butler Getty Images

    The Rhode Island forward is eligible after missing the 2013-2014 season.

  4. Maryland transfer eligible this season at Georgia Tech

    Sep 19, 2014, 9:00 PM EDT

    Getty Images Getty Images

    The 6-foot-8 forward has two years of eligibility remaining.

  5. Georgia Tech will hire former Marshall coach, promote another assistant

    Sep 19, 2014, 7:00 PM EDT

    Tom Herrion AP

    The Yellow Jackets have added two new assistant to the coaching staff this offseason.

  6. Syracuse won’t know Dajuan Coleman’s status until November

    Sep 19, 2014, 5:25 PM EDT

    Villanova v Syracuse Getty Images

    The Orange holds the first of two exhibition games on Nov. 2.

  7. South Carolina lands commitment from three-star power forward

    Sep 19, 2014, 4:08 PM EDT

    Scott Stuart/Rivals Scott Stuart/Rivals

    The Roselle Catholic (New Jersey) product picked the Gamecocks over Seton Hall and Rhode Island.

  8. Former Chattanooga assistant to join UAB coaching staff

    Sep 19, 2014, 2:46 PM EDT

    Chattanooga Athletics Chattanooga Athletics

    Interestingly enough, UAB visits Chattanooga December 22.

  9. CBT’s Recruiting Roundup: Boston College, Illinois, LSU have big visitors

    Sep 19, 2014, 2:30 PM EDT

    johnnyjones AP

    News and notes from around the world of college basketball recruiting.

  10. USA Basketball debate reaches new low with illustration of John Calipari (PHOTO)

    Sep 19, 2014, 12:46 PM EDT

    Matt Jones/Kentucky Sports Radio Matt Jones/Kentucky Sports Radio

    Thought the recent debate about USA Basketball and advantages gained by college coaches was getting tiresome?

  11. Mike Krzyzewski, Dawn Staley make list of world’s greatest leaders

    Sep 19, 2014, 12:00 PM EDT

    Mike Krzyzewski Mike Krzyzewski

    Fortune Magazine has the Krzyzewski and Staley ranked 20th (along with San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich) on the list.

  12. NCAA still dealing with lawsuits regarding scholarships, cost of attendance

    Sep 19, 2014, 10:55 AM EDT

    NCAA_Logo AP

    The NCAA is hoping to have two lawsuits dismissed, with the plaintiffs in those suits arguing otherwise. And three U.S. senators voiced their displeasure with the lack of progress being made by the NCAA.

  13. Washington will need Fresno State transfer to step forward in 2014-15

    Sep 19, 2014, 9:44 AM EDT

    Lorenzo Romar Lorenzo Romar

    Lorenzo Romar spoke positively of Robert Upshaw’s progress, and with the Huskies’ lack of interior depth the Fresno State transfer will be a key figure this season.

  14. Four-star 2015 guard/forward narrows list to five

    Sep 18, 2014, 10:15 PM EDT

    Kelly Kline/Under Armour Kelly Kline/Under Armour

    Among the schools still in the running for this Top 100 prospect’s services is LSU.

  15. 2013 Sweet 16 run pays off in a big way financially for FGCU

    Sep 18, 2014, 8:43 PM EDT

    2013 Continental Tire Las Vegas Classic - Florida Gulf Coast v Radford Getty Images

    FGCU’s Sweet 16 run in 2013 paid off in a big way for the athletic department.

  16. Missouri announces plans to renovate Mizzou Arena

    Sep 18, 2014, 7:04 PM EDT

    Kim Anderson, Mike Alden Kim Anderson, Mike Alden

    Mizzou Arena’s just ten years old, but the school has found some areas that need renovating.

  17. Former College of Charleston assistant joins staff at The Citadel

    Sep 18, 2014, 5:52 PM EDT

    Chuck Driesell, Tom Koopman Chuck Driesell, Tom Koopman

    Freeberg makes the move from the College of Charleston to The Citadel, with J.D. Powell headed in the opposite direction.

  18. Kentucky’s John Calipari offers his thoughts on USA Basketball critiques

    Sep 18, 2014, 4:50 PM EDT

    John Calipari AP

    Calipari tweeted that if the coaches gained an advantage from helping revitalize USA Basketball he “doesn’t begrudge them in the least.”

  19. Top-40 Class of 2015 guard sets a decision date

    Sep 18, 2014, 3:00 PM EDT

    kerwin roach AP

    An important member in a 2015 class lacking guards has set a decision date.