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Why aren’t we paying more attention to Duke-UNC tonight?

Feb 13, 2013, 11:17 AM EDT

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There will never be a definitive answer to what the question ‘What is the greatest rivalry in all of sports?’, but one thing that is undeniable is that Duke and North Carolina have to be present in that conversation.

What’s interesting this season is that Wednesday night will feature the first of two battles on Tobacco Road, and no one seems to be paying any attention to it.

That’s understandable. North Carolina is not the North Carolina that we have become accustomed to seeing. They have a freshmen point guard that is not ready to handle the load he’s been forced to carry and they don’t have a low-post presence, which is as important to Roy Williams’ offensive attack as a well-trained floor general to run the show.

And Duke?

Well, they looked like the best team in the country until Ryan Kelly got injured. Since then, they’ve had as many dominating performances as they’ve had head-scratching outcomes, so while they’ve slowly climbed their way back to the top of the rankings — they’re No. 1 in the Coaches poll and No. 2 in the AP — it’s tough to figure out whether that is the result of the ACC being down or Duke figuring out how to play without their starting power forward.

It makes you wonder.

This college basketball season can probably best be defined as “The Year of WTF?!?!?” Top five teams have been dropping like flies, and, seemingly without fail, the more certain we become about any one team, the more likely it is that team is headed for a collapse. Remember when we thought Louisville was the best team in the country? Or Michigan? Or Kansas? Or Florida? At this rate, the dumbest thing that Michigan State could have done was blow out Michigan last night. That all-but guarantees they’re going to lose four of the next five games.

Given that uncertainty, why aren’t we paying more attention to UNC’s visit to Cameron tonight?

Because it would only make sense that the Tar Heels are going to pull the upset tonight.

You can find Rob on twitter @RobDauster.


  1. mogogo1 - Feb 13, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    They’re slowly climbing their way back to the top? They were #1 in both polls only three weeks ago and never fell below #5 in either poll.

  2. lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Maybe the reason North Carolina is down is because their players actually have to attend AND pass their classes now.
    No more no-show 6-hours credit per class to “write” a plagiarized “paper” for a foreign language class. The playing field suddenly becomes very level when you actually follow the rules…

    • kccpm11 - Feb 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

      or carolina lost 4 players to the NBA last year, all drafted within the first 17 picks……

      • lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        Carolina was always supposed to reload not rebuild! Wonder if “going” to class and NCAA issues factored into their decision to leave for the NBA. Maybe there weren’t anymore $100K a year “fundraising” jobs available for their Moms (i.e. Hansblows mom).

    • tsi431 - Feb 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      You act as if Duke isn’t going through a huge scandal themselves. Hypocrite.

      Plenty of schools have useless classes no one goes to, they even get a degree for it now, its called Sociology.

  3. counterrific - Feb 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Lundy, grow up. UNC turns out graduates they can be proud of. Obviously you slipped through the cracks. The team simply isn’t on the same level as Duke and the game isn’t worth watching as you will see. Oh, by the way, I am a huge tarheel fan, but a realist.

    • lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      I’m sure there are proud graduates, I have a UNC System degree myself, you don’t mention that you’re an alum so I’m going to assume you’re just a t-shirt fan. My apologies if that assumption is correct. UNC and some UNC homers are attempting the “everybody does it argument”, which degrades the value of my hard earned degree, along with everyone else’s in the UNC system, especially those from UNC-CH. The school just sold out all of its graduates, but particularly those with AFAM degrees for the sake of athletics. What about NC taxpayers that paid professors for classes that weren’t taught? We aren’t talking “easy” classes here, this is fraud, as the classes weren’t even taught! We don’t even know how many but at least 50. So I’ll grow up when adults take over at UNC and a real independent investigation is started.
      As far as being a hypocrite, dook is a private school so they can do whatever they want till they get caught.

  4. thecarolinawayisajoke - Feb 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    the short term excuse for losing is attributable to attrition but SACS may have something more to say about the academic fraud that has been ongoing in chapel hill for these many decades. Maybe you are a realist, counterrific, but you are not seeing the looming cloud over your favorite basketball college.

    • LogicalConsideration - Feb 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

      I sure do love free speech that allows even the ignorant and ill-informed. Your argument may be applicable to the Carolina football team, but the series of investigations show that the basketball program figured out there were suspicions about some of the AFAM classes sometime in 2007 and began instructing the basketball players to steer clear of them. Two years later, Carolina won a title (and everyone went pro and was a high draft pick). Whatever effect those classes had or didn’t have is long gone and Carolina proved players would keep coming and it would keep winning. Remember, they are sitting at 16-7 right now. Below our standards to be sure, but pretty certain to be a 20+ win season with a NCAAA tournament berth—and that’s a BAD season. lmao

      Only someone pathetic enough to go register a user name just to comment on a single story would drag that into the discussion of what’s going on on-court between Carolina and Duke.

      • lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 5:10 PM

        You mean that whitewash, aka investigation UNC did on themselves!?! And certain points of the report are being retracted?! And the investigators didn’t even talk to the scapegoats who both have been allowed to retire and claim nice pensions? Yet you claim I’m ignorant and ill informed. Geez homer pull your head out of the sand!
        All we know is that they investigated themselves and determined all was fine with basketball, players lost interest in those courses. Riiiiiight……
        Protecting their championships to the end.
        A normal person would conclude that what worked for basketball was scaled up to work on football but it’s easier to cover for 8-9 guys versus 70. Economies of scale sometimes blow up in your face.
        So given that it did or didn’t have an effect should be known and independently investigated. We shouldn’t just move on, as we didn’t just move on from UCONN, USC, Miami, Penn State or more appropriate I think SMU…

        Until mainstream media really grapples this story and the NCAA and UNC alums take notice and clean house folks like me will take the time to register and be a thorn in the side of UNC homers like you that were once so high and mighty.
        The color will be known as cheater blue for the foreseeable future. LMAO on that one!

  5. opiedamus - Feb 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    I just have something to get off my chest….. I hate Duke! Even during a downturn, that felt really good to get off my chest. As for “Mrs. Lundy”: get some facts, gain some perspective and have someone bring you a plunger…….to help get your head out of your arse!

    (guilty admission: really respect Coach K, but still hate Duke!)

    • lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM

      I can find common ground with you on hatred of dook. However smug their students may be they are paying for smugness through the nose. Besides eventually all dook grads return to New Jersey for the most part so they don’t really get on my nerves on a day to day basis. When my tax dollars are involved in perpetrating a fraud to keep players eligible then I get perspective and do some investigating on my own.
      So I recommend you peruse some facts on you own time. Read the sham that is the Martin report and do a search on The News & Observer and Mr. Dan Kane’s ongoing investigation into the unc fiasco, and the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools accreditation review, (Hello Federal funding?!) and maybe then promptly take the plunger to your own head after you pull it out of the sand.
      I personally am looking forward to the Orange County DA’s office and State Bureau of Investigations to conclude their investigations and read those reports (warrants?) too. Then perhaps the NCAA will act. Will it result in 20 years of UNC being down?? Time will tell I suppose.

  6. lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Hey Rob Dauster, I think it would make a great story if you looked into the UNC academic fraud case.
    Give Dan Kane a call, ask yourself why the UNC Board of Trustees and Board of Governors of the entire system are letting UNC pass, (supermajority UNC alums?). Take a look into why the ACC is silent on this issue, and what was the commissioner of the ACC doing all those years ago when the academic fraud supposedly began? He wouldn’t have been the athletic director at unc would he? Conflict maybe? Look at what he did to Clemson while AD of UNC.
    Why isn’t this being reported about widely? Shouldn’t ESPN be covering this? Look at the background of the CEO.
    C’mon Rob this story is waiting to break out. Make it happen. Books could be written off of all this stuff that keeps coming out. Maybe it’s all just conspiracy theory. Maybe not? Find out….

  7. oldwell81 - Feb 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    I am so tired of these accusations. There’s a basketball game tonight and this forum is about that game. The fact is the NCAA will not be visiting our campus and will not be taking our banners down. Get over it and get on with your lives. The university is taking steps to ensure this never happens again.

    So what, IF we found a loophole and much like any of the schools you are affiliated with we took advantage of it. You can’t blame the university for that. Go focus the hatred that stems from your inferiority issues elsewhere.

    Oh by the way, I’m sure your cries to the author of this article are going to encourage him to help you in your cause.

    class of 1981

    • lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 8:06 PM

      Hey oldwell, why is the university taking steps to prevent something from happening again? If it happened the first time that is exactly why the NCAA should visit and you don’t get to just move on. It’s called justice. If you break the rules you pay the price.

      I certainly don’t have an inferiority complex, (so I guess we are both tired of accusations then) as my degree came from a fully accredited university unlike what yours may be soon. It’s just like UNC cronies to play that card as you can’t exist without putting someone else down, hence the reason your school is attached at the hip to dook in an attempt to place Ivey status onto a regular plain Jane state funded university. Chaps your hide I’m sure to be slumming it after years of being self righteous holier than everybody “Stanford of the east”, that your guys like to call yourselves. LMAO!
      I can’t give you too much grief though at least you are an alum. What was your major? You aren’t gonna be part off that group that the accrediting agency thinks should return to school to “finish” your degree are you?

      Folks this is why UNC should get the hammer, their alums brag openly about taking advantage of loopholes!
      Any steps the university is currently taking will be to ensure they don’t get caught next time!

      Oldwell did you take any of those fake classes back then? I’d like to know so we can get a feeling for how far back the fraud goes….

      • oldwell81 - Feb 13, 2013 at 8:45 PM

        If you must know, I graduated summa cum laude with a BA in Political Science and returned to get my JD from our law school in 1991. Anymore questions?

        Like I said, it’s over. It’s time for you to move on.

        By the way, there’s a lot of people laughing at your expense right now at my house. A lot of people that know more about this whole ordeal than you ever will. You’re probably wandering whom, but if I told you that, it would just get those panties of yours in an awfully tight wad.

        class of 1981

  8. thebadguyswon - Feb 13, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Just my take, but it seems like UNC’s recruits have been all hype and not as much substance the last two years. James Michael McAdoo is a perfect example.

    • lundy337 - Feb 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM

      I agree.
      I think since the university is no longer going to allow the athletic dept to recruit athletes that are considered academic exceptions, (not meeting the standards for regular admission) in any sport, that we will continue to see UNC’s recruits overhyped and underperform.
      Something like 90% of their former stars were exceptions requiring the university to go through the approval process for admission. Remarkably they stayed eligible…. Odd don’t you think?

      I think the downward spiral stands a good chance of continuing.

      • thebadguyswon - Feb 14, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        I wonder what the reaction would be if the tables were turned and it was Duke getting investigated for this stuff?

  9. lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Props to you oldwell,
    Do you have Swofford at your house tonight? Or is it Thorp?
    I’m sure your fellow alums are laughing at my expense, to bad the Internet is laughing at yours!

    Heck I could’ve got summa cum whatever with fake classes! Okay I’m just pulling your chain now.
    I think poly sci is safe so you probably won’t be recalled for your degree.
    UNC does have a respectable law school I actually considered it a few years ago but I felt it was too late a career diversion. The ROI didn’t make sense and I couldn’t stomach the salary cut.
    With those credentials why didn’t you go to a real law school like Harvard? You heels are so much with the keeping it all blue. It’s almost incestuous. Really get out of the blue globe, see how others do it.

    BTW I don’t wear panties, as I didn’t study liberal arts. And you are only fueling the conspiracy theories with your comments.

    You aren’t the Orange County DA are you? That would be perfect if you were….
    Did you sneak Dr. Julius in country?

    We may all move on, but we will never stop reminding you of it.
    Remember that reputation your school once had? We all moved on from that too…..

    • oldwell81 - Feb 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM

      Enjoy the rest of your evening.

      Now, please excuse me, I have company to entertain and a game to watch.

      class of 1981

  10. lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Same to you oldwell,

    I really have no dog in that fight between the blues. Cheaters and floppers ain’t my thing. But Coach K is just taking advantage of a loophole right?

    I’m afraid the better game tonight will probably be between the defending ACC champs and the ones most likely to take the crown this year. FSU almost pulled off the upset.

    One last thorn for you before I call it a night. Summa cum laude at unc ain’t what it used to be, but they cracked down around your time, then cut the reigns loose again. Maybe we should just move on from that too? I’m sure the punks from today worked just as hard as you and “did the work they were assigned.”

    Careful digging around on that UNC website as you never know whose transcript you may find. I’m sure you’d hate for another high profile athlete that didn’t graduate to have to make a big donation to the school. I’d tell you about how Peppers transcript was leaked but you’d probably get your panties in a wad, and maybe offend your guests too.

  11. lundy337 - Feb 13, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    Sorry oldwell,
    Free throws my friend…

    Duke proves to be better than UNC as usual. I bet Obama picks Duke to win it all this year. Maybe Lehigh will do us all a favor again.
    You guys gonna make it to the NIT? If you do make it to the tourney beware, as you may get your Weber State matchup again… Go Wildcats!!

    Try not to choke a smug Yankee tomorrow.
    I sympathize, I show constant restraint in strangling t-shirt fans that couldn’t find chapel hill on a map.

  12. lundy337 - Feb 14, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Oldwell I was expecting to hear from you today. Still crying in your beer?

    LG Nth
    Class of 95 and 2002. Alas, I was a late bloomer… But it doesn’t matter when you’re in a long line of legacies.
    I have a US Senator and State of NC Commissioners, in my family tree. DO you? Anymore questions?

    I’ve got close ties to Gov. Pat as well. He tells me that between him and the new Conservative Legislature that they intend to carry out the liberal trash in the State, which includes the UNC BOG. He just hasn’t got to it yet. Plus the committees to nominate the new BOG members are consevatives that don’t really take to fraud at a liberal arts university. I’ll give you that
    Rep. Tim is a heel homer, perhaps you know him? He’s still a republican though, as doesn’t take fraud and waste lightly as I recall. And I really don’t see Sen. Tom taking to kindly to all that fraud either. He isn’t a heel homer you know, he’s one of those Catamounts.

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